![]() TheinsanegamerNIntel's 10nm is mobile only because it doesnt scale up to desktop levels well at ALL. That said desktop is shrinking so medium and long term it would not be wise to put all their eggs in that basket. AMD is clearly trying to move beyond their current user / fan base in mobile. AMD still isnt putting the work into making ready to go platforms for their mobile chips, I find it very unlikely that ryzen 5000 mobile will be any more succesful then ryzen 4000 mobile was, especially when many of the chips are ryzen 4000 with a 5 in them.I actually agree with most of that. ![]() Seems pretty stupid to ignore that market. And gaming desktops have seen major growth the lastfew years, with AMD spearheading said growth. To this day it's desktop that makes up the vast majority of Zen consumer sales. TheinsanegamerNWe've heard this excuse before, yet it was the desktop, not the laptop, market that saved AMD with zen. Posted on Jan 12th 2021, 14:52 Reply #17 RandallFlagg Their quad core 10nm chips had horrendous yeilds. It cant manage higher clock rates without slurping power and cant even manage 6 core chips, let alone 8 or 10 core. Intel's 10nm is mobile only because it doesnt scale up to desktop levels well at ALL. AMD still isnt putting the work into making ready to go platforms for their mobile chips, I find it very unlikely that ryzen 5000 mobile will be any more succesful then ryzen 4000 mobile was, especially when many of the chips are ryzen 4000 with a 5 in them. We'll see in a couple of months.We've heard this excuse before, yet it was the desktop, not the laptop, market that saved AMD with zen. Desktop chips now have more effect on PR / Marketing than they do on the real financial bottom line. That is why Ice Lake and Tiger Lake is where 10nm went first for Intel, and why we are getting Tiger Lake H mobile before we see Rocket Lake. RandallFlaggLaptop is the jugular in this market, desktop just isn't that big anymore. Posted on Jan 12th 2021, 14:32 Reply #16 TheinsanegamerN I think there will be a lot of really PO'd AMD users if Rocket Lake and Tiger Lake H hit the markets in volume and AMD is still doing presentations. Kind of a bad move, AMD probably should have had Samsung lined up for some of their business. I (obviously) don't think they can, I think they'll have TSMC making XBox and PS 5 chips Q1 again. The real question is if AMD can actually get TSMC to produce their chips in any volume given their other obligations. AMD has completely forgotten about the budget marketnow that they have better IPC then intel.Laptop is the jugular in this market, desktop just isn't that big anymore. No news on cheaper 5600/5700 CPUs, or the 5000 series desktop APUs. I wonder if they have to have a rethink after the 3060ti came out, if the rumors of the 6700xt being just a 5700xt with RT were true, AMD would have been in a bad spot with such a card. with a 1h timeframe, we likely wont see these cards until early summer at the earliest. Not even a sneak peek at the specs for the 6700 series.
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